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hello and welcome to episode number 86

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always I am your host EXO academian

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throughout the history of humankind

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we've been pushing the boundaries of

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exploration determined to map and often

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eventually populate every nook and

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cranny of physical space we come across

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this has meant we've ventured into every

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corner of the earth even though sporting

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the most inhospitable of environmental

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conditions

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when their modern day UFO phenomenon

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first exploded into public Consciousness

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around the era of the 1940s through not

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one but a series of remarkable events

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that orientation around Frontier

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Consciousness that almost everyone of

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the time once it was clear these strange

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objects seen designated UFOs or

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unidentified flying objects were very

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unlikely to be a prosaic origin to

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assume that these apparently

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intelligently controlled vehicles must

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be coming from the laughs of the

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Frontiers we had yet to explore namely

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that greater expanse of the surrounding

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Cosmos this of course suggested the

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existence of extraterrestrials beings

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who had evolved on different planets in

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entirely different star systems in

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far-flung corners of the Milky Way

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galaxy or Beyond

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this sparked our imagination leading us

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to imagine what they might look like and

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how they might behave would they look

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anything like us would they follow our

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conquer and colonize us the same way

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we'd done with each other

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as the 20th century marched on many

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people around the planet begin to report

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encounters with the varied being

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supposedly piloting these sophisticated

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interestingly while modern science had

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long leaned towards extraterrestrial

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beings looking decidedly unlike us

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because of their origin being tied to

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completely different evolutionary

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pressures in completely different home

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planet contexts the reports arising from

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these encounters with other worldly

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beings quote unquote spoke to remarkably

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humanoid form and indeed on regular

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occasion even as seemingly fully human

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furthermore even the types less human in

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appearance still match the general

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morphology of other forms of life from

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Earth including reptilian and insectoid

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types including mantis beings even

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bearing a striking resemblance to nine

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foot tall praying mantis insects found

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right here on our home planet

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of course this raises an obvious

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question why why were these encountered

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forms flying in the face of our

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expectations around what

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extraterrestrial beings would look like

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and more importantly what they would not

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I would suggest to you that perhaps the

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issue lies in one of our earlier

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assumptions that the next Frontier to be

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explored is always spatial in nature but

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what if these others were not coming

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from elsewhere but from some other yet

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poorly understood non-spatial dimension

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on that note the notion of a Multiverse

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hypothesis to popular consideration

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and that's still in the running

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suggesting these beings are arriving

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from Planes of existence sitting in

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parallel to our physical existence

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but there is another possibility that

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has long escaped the mainstream of our

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Collective imagination around these

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particular beings namely time travel in

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other words what if these beings are not

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so much coming from somewhere else but

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rather some when else

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when one stops to consider this

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possibility not only does it hold its

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own in terms of serving as a potential

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theoretical explanatory mechanism but it

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also fits remarkably well with key

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components of the historical data not

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just around the appearance and behavior

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of these various beings but also with

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other key elements arising from the

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historical experiencer literature

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this possibility that time is a key

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variable in the overarching phenomenon

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is a fascinating one one that will be

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our focus and this the 86th episode of

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first of all I want to make a point

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about the overarching phenomenon or what

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we colloquially call the phenomenon

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first of all I think it's important to

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say that my working hypothesis is that

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we still have more than one group

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involved with us here on the earth

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indeed many many different types of

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origin sources I would suggest and

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different groups for instance what we're

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certain kind of hypothesis that gives An

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Origin explanation for some of these

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beings and I want to make clear that

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even amongst this one narrow focus of a

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type of being we're going to talk about

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today being so perhaps we're coming

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through time rather than from somewhere

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else or at least the time is the key

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element because of course space time is

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one integrated fabric so if they're

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coming through time they're also coming

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through space and because the Earth is a

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moving object in fact our entire solar

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system is moving then that also means

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that they are coming through space as

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evidence in the data for different types

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of groups different factions even have

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the same kinds of groups this is part of

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the complexity here I also want to point

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out that what's interesting when you

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think about the total data to do with

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the UFO phenomenon it's always good to

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collapse all of the data assuming that

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agenda for the entire Enterprise and I

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wrong I think when we look at the data

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historical Enterprise being conducted by

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specific beings and again that's what

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discuss today has to do with events that

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not also mention that once time travel

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time or what we experience as linear

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one issue but how it ends up impacting

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the entire timeline or perhaps creating

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multiple timelines is another issue

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apparent paradoxes prevent people from

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through what's really going on here then

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for a certain specific aspect of the

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totality of the phenomenon a very

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largely on Mike Master's work Dr Mike

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several books on this issue of time

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phenomenon the book we're going to focus

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model he also has a new book out called

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Revelation the future human past which

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yourself whether or not writing it as

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tricky topics but I highly recommend you

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check out that book too but today we're

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going to focus on the extra tempestral

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written on this matter of time travel on

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the matter of these being future humans

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might be very eager to hear this

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hypothesis others might be not so open

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to it because you're so connected to

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this being extraterrestrials or

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ultra-terrestrials or interdimensionals

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which hypotheses resonate with you and

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why this is a self-awareness check here

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because we always want to be searching

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for trying to be aware of making

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ourselves aware of potential bias in our

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response to this phenomenon in our

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delving into this data

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touched on this topic the extra

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Pastoral hypothesis the notion that

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these are beings actually coming from

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our future and yes indeed that would

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make them our descendants

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the likely biological connection these

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morphology and we've gone into that in

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great detail we will touch on that

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briefly in a moment but mainly what I

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want to focus on today is largely what

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Mike Masters focuses on in this second

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book the extra-term Pastoral model which

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is the other elements of the historical

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narrative that fit really well with the

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notion that these are future humans

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you change timelines that's something

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what's interesting about this book is he

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takes different case studies of

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historical events that have involved the

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UFO phenomenon even some of our most

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well-known ones but looking at it from

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the lens of the extra-term Pastoral

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model in other words looking at what was

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reported as happening in those events

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the kinds of beings that were described

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the kinds of behaviors that were

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described the ways the craft were

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described the ways that the

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hybridization and biological exam

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elimination seems so front and center

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when you look at that through the lens

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of the extra tampestral model especially

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when we tie to that certain Revelations

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these beings have provided to different

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experiences around why they're doing it

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then suddenly begins to make a lot of

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sense so much so in fact that it makes

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us Wonder makes me wonder anyway if

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perhaps this has been hiding in plain

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sight all along and perhaps again

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bringing up that word bias that's all

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that's prevented us from seeing this as

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the best fit for the data especially

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again for a certain segment of the data

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to do with events we look back on in the

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20th century

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okay so let's jump into the book first

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of all again I just want to touch on the

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fact that the morphology the

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similarities between us and them are

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remarkable especially when you're a

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biological Anthropologist like Mike

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Masters who has a specialty in the

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hominid line he looks at them and looks

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at us and sees two types that must be

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connected genetically connected along an

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evolutionary trajectory

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quoting from the book here quote as

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mentioned above it is improbable that

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extraterrestrial aliens would evolve to

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look or act like us the odds are very

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low that another two-legged upright

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walking hominin with two eyes a nose a

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mouth five digits on each hand and foot

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and an enlarged brain and neurocrinium

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would evolve again in a separate solar

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system it is even less likely when

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considering the specific environmental

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and bio-cultural factors that culminated

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in our complex condition making our

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species unique among the plethora of

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other organisms on this planet unquote

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so key points there number one we share

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many things in common with them and

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perhaps we're so familiar with these

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details because we see each other all

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the time that we kind of miss the

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remarkable aspect there that these

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beings look so much like us they have a

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head with two eyes and nose some

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semblance of a mouth and ears they have

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two arms two legs bipedal in nature all

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of these things that they share in

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common with us in terms of a humanoid

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form and again that's just looking at

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what we call the Graze there are also

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many encounters with even more human

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looking beings and again we'll get into

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how perhaps that suggests these beings

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are from different points along the

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timeline and the ones that look most

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like us are coming from the near future

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the ones that look the least like us

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coming from the most distant future that

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actually again makes a lot of sense once

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you start thinking about it

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but that's the biological similarity

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which again you cannot look past but

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once you do as I said as we're going to

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do in this episode in different case

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studies examining the actual data in

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terms of what they were doing what was

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happening and the things they said to

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experiencers again suddenly it makes a

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lot of sense when you look at it through

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the extra tempestral model lens and when

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you think about the reasons that are

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perhaps given as to why they would be

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conducting these kinds of Affairs now I

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encouraged to that last Point again I

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want to say this as an experiencer as

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someone who is representing other

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experiencers championing experiencers

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again some people will not want to take

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into account the historical data around

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what has been communicated to

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experiences in terms of messages that

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these beings have for us as earthlings

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and messages they have about why they

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came here what they're doing here and

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perhaps when they came from all of these

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elements are in the historical

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literature if we will pay attention to

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it some people of the nuts and bolts

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variety will refuse to but that is I

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think a foolhardy way to approach this

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this is a rich historical narrative this

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is a data set this is something we

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should definitely take into

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consideration when we formulate our

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hypotheses Mike Masters has done that

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here and I applaud him for his efforts

396
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again he's in a very unique position to

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not only have a background in biological

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anthropology but he's also taking

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seriously the accounts that experiences

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provide in terms of what they hear from

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these other beings and again that is

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credit to him because some people simply

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ignore it but this is a rich part of the

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historical literature the historical

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data

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and then when you take all of that into

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consideration this does emerge I think

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as a leading hypothesis again for this

409
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aspect of the data this sub pattern

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within the totality I think this is the

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best fit for the data we're looking at

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today the data we're considering even

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the data that's part of the John Mack

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archives which of course I'm very

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interested in

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now before we move into some of the

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historical cases that we'll consider

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that will also again I think support

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this notion that they could be extra

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tempestules let's first consider their

421
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clandestine nature why do they hide so

422
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much why don't they land on the White

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House lawn and announce their presence

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if they are extraterrestrials from Alpha

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Centauri or some other far-flung

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location

427
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this is what Masters has to say about

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that quote if extraterrestrial beings

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did happen to locate us and Traverse

430
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vast distances to get here we might

431
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expect some formal introduction upon

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their arrival still the approach of the

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visitors thus far has been epic in

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nature with no formal contact or

435
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announcement of their presence in our

436
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times it is hard to Fathom why

437
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extraterrestrials From A Distant star

438
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system would zip around our skies and

439
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oceans and occasionally perform covert

440
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medical examinations on us then return

441
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home without introducing themselves this

442
00:16:39,170 --> 00:16:37,320
scenario seems far more paradoxical than

443
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one in which are distant descendants

444
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return to investigate their own past

445
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while avoiding overt contact for fear of

446
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disrupting our social order or the

447
00:16:52,129 --> 00:16:50,519
entire timeline unquote

448
00:16:53,810 --> 00:16:52,139
again I think that's a compelling

449
00:16:55,790 --> 00:16:53,820
argument when you think about their

450
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clandestine nature yes they could be

451
00:16:59,930 --> 00:16:57,360
following some sort of prime directive

452
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:59,940
that's possible but then why do we see

453
00:17:03,170 --> 00:17:01,920
so much of them while they're also

454
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supposedly following that prime

455
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:05,280
directive It's a combination of the two

456
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that I think is the compelling argument

457
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leaning towards the notion that they're

458
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here and showing themselves only as much

459
00:17:15,710 --> 00:17:13,319
as they need to and they mostly are

460
00:17:17,630 --> 00:17:15,720
trying to hide because this is a covert

461
00:17:19,549 --> 00:17:17,640
Enterprise because they do not want most

462
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:19,559
of us to know why they're here and they

463
00:17:24,289 --> 00:17:22,079
don't want to impact the timeline by

464
00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:24,299
broadcasting both their presence and

465
00:17:29,150 --> 00:17:27,600
their origin to us now again furthering

466
00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:29,160
that point I've seen some people

467
00:17:33,890 --> 00:17:31,260
interested in this topic who assume that

468
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their ETS being frustrated by the fact

469
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that these beings don't tell us who they

470
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are and where they're coming from and

471
00:17:42,350 --> 00:17:39,720
why they're here some people see this as

472
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signs of malicious intent inherently

473
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malicious intent because of the silence

474
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:46,440
but I think this is a good example

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whether or not this is the appropriate

476
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hypothesis and is proven to be correct

477
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in the long run or not that we have to

478
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be careful when we lead to conclusions

479
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like that because if it's true that for

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instance in a case like this they might

481
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be concerned with polluting the timeline

482
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changing the very timeline that could

483
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impact their future not to mention

484
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aspects of our own future that they

485
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would be cautious reticent about how

486
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they interact with us so silence and

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clandestine activities don't necessarily

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imply nefarious intent

489
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now one of the first case studies we're

490
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going to look at here involves a man

491
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named Udo wartina from 1940 in Montana

492
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this is something Udo said afterwards

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regarding his encounter

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quote he was a nice looking man

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seemingly about my age he wore a light

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gray pair of overalls a hat of the same

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material on his head and on his feet

498
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were slippers or moccasins his English

499
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was like mine but he spoke slowly as if

500
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he were a linguished and had to pick his

501
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way unquote

502
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so this is interesting again people

503
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attached to the ET hypothesis will say

504
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Well they're just casting that

505
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impression on people they don't really

506
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look like human beings they're just

507
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doing that to make him feel more

508
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comfortable or again if people assume

509
00:19:05,330 --> 00:19:03,120
nefarious intent then they assume this

510
00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:05,340
perhaps implies they're trying to fool

511
00:19:08,930 --> 00:19:07,140
him it's a ruse while they try to

512
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manipulate him for some sort of

513
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Nefarious purpose but again another way

514
00:19:15,710 --> 00:19:14,100
to look at it is just at face value that

515
00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:15,720
he saw someone that looked like a man

516
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enough like a man that he didn't really

517
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even

518
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notice anything hugely different except

519
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the way that he spoke English he spoke

520
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English but he seemed to be picking his

521
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words as if he was a linguist so we can

522
00:19:32,690 --> 00:19:30,539
imagine here again following this lens

523
00:19:34,669 --> 00:19:32,700
of the extra-term Pastoral model perhaps

524
00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:34,679
this is an anthropologist someone who's

525
00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:37,500
studied languages ancient languages even

526
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and managed to master them to a certain

527
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degree but not like a native speaker but

528
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it allowed him to at least carry on a

529
00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:47,039
conversation with Udo

530
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:49,320
and the next element I want to get to is

531
00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:51,840
the technological nature of these craft

532
00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:53,700
this is something else to consider here

533
00:19:58,370 --> 00:19:56,460
again when people conflate and collapse

534
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,380
all of the data they assume that this is

535
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:00,720
all about some Third Realm some beings

536
00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:02,880
coming from some place some Dimension

537
00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:04,740
that's not really physical in nature

538
00:20:09,169 --> 00:20:07,620
perhaps flying craft that only look like

539
00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:09,179
crap they're actually more like

540
00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:11,220
something else something magical

541
00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:14,100
something non-physical in a way but

542
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:15,660
what's clear in many of these encounters

543
00:20:20,330 --> 00:20:18,000
again from this particular aspect of the

544
00:20:22,730 --> 00:20:20,340
literature these are very technological

545
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craft and we're going to see that in how

546
00:20:26,330 --> 00:20:24,539
Udo describes his encounter with the

547
00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:26,340
craft itself

548
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:27,960
when a quote from the book again here

549
00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:30,840
quote once inside where Tina noticed

550
00:20:34,970 --> 00:20:32,460
that the pervasive humming sound he

551
00:20:36,830 --> 00:20:34,980
heard outside was no longer audible when

552
00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:36,840
he asked about the sound the man not

553
00:20:40,610 --> 00:20:38,520
only told him where it came from and how

554
00:20:43,010 --> 00:20:40,620
it related to powering the ship but

555
00:20:45,230 --> 00:20:43,020
according to Warren Ashton's 1998

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research where Tina was given what

557
00:20:49,010 --> 00:20:46,559
appeared to be a full and open

558
00:20:52,250 --> 00:20:49,020
discussion of the key principle involved

559
00:20:53,950 --> 00:20:52,260
in the following words quote as you

560
00:20:56,810 --> 00:20:53,960
noticed we are floating above the ground

561
00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:56,820
and though the ground slopes the ship is

562
00:21:02,029 --> 00:20:59,580
level there are in the outside room two

563
00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:02,039
flywheels one turning one way and the

564
00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:04,140
other in the opposite direction he

565
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:05,880
explained that this gives the ship its

566
00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:08,640
own gravitation or rather overcomes the

567
00:21:13,010 --> 00:21:10,200
gravitational pull of the earth and

568
00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:13,020
other planets the sun and stars and

569
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,280
through the pull of the stars and

570
00:21:19,610 --> 00:21:16,799
planets to ride on like you do when you

571
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,620
sail on Ice unquote

572
00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:21,600
again this is just to address the fact

573
00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:23,460
that this is a technological vehicle

574
00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:26,039
this is not some sort of light form that

575
00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:28,020
is just looking like a physical craft

576
00:21:33,169 --> 00:21:30,360
clearly we are seeing elements of

577
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:33,179
Technology here advanced technology and

578
00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:34,559
now we're going to learn about how this

579
00:21:38,510 --> 00:21:36,600
specific kind of Technology could

580
00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:38,520
actually be used for something like time

581
00:21:43,070 --> 00:21:40,860
travel quoting from the book again quote

582
00:21:45,409 --> 00:21:43,080
high electromagnetic fields are

583
00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:45,419
frequently detected in and around UFOs

584
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:47,580
and places where they had recently been

585
00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:50,220
it is also common for cars radios and

586
00:21:54,350 --> 00:21:51,780
other devices to become increasingly

587
00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:54,360
erratic and completely shut off as a UAP

588
00:21:58,669 --> 00:21:56,700
approaches the prevalence of these

589
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,679
reports suggests the electromagnetic

590
00:22:03,649 --> 00:22:00,720
force is integral to the operation of

591
00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:03,659
these machines the fundamental Force may

592
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:05,700
also be a part of how these Travelers

593
00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:07,919
manipulate SpaceTime to return to the

594
00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:09,720
past and how they withstand the

595
00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:11,820
tremendous g-forces generated in

596
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,100
association with the incredibly fast

597
00:22:19,610 --> 00:22:16,559
accelerations and decelerations observed

598
00:22:21,730 --> 00:22:19,620
as we'll be discussed later in the text

599
00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:21,740
there is already some indication that

600
00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:23,820
electromagnetism could be a valuable

601
00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:25,740
tool in our pervasive fight against

602
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:29,100
gravity in aeronautic engineering its

603
00:22:33,049 --> 00:22:30,780
future significance in anti-gravity

604
00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:33,059
propulsion systems may be implicit in

605
00:22:37,250 --> 00:22:34,980
the immense differences between the

606
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,260
electromagnetic and gravitational forces

607
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,840
in fact according to Dr Clifford Johnson

608
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,760
a professor in the department of physics

609
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:43,679
and astronomy at the University of

610
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:46,260
Southern California we tend to think of

611
00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:48,299
gravity as very strong after all it's

612
00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:50,460
what binds us to the Earth but actually

613
00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:52,440
of all the forces we know in nature

614
00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:55,140
gravities the weakest let me give you a

615
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,539
number it's 10 to the power 40 times

616
00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:00,000
weaker than electromagnetism that's a

617
00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:03,419
one with 40 zeros after it unquote

618
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,640
and then referring to this difference in

619
00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,159
the two strengths Masters goes on to say

620
00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:10,740
that quote it may also Aid in

621
00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:12,840
constructing a device capable of bending

622
00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:15,240
and warping space-time to allow time

623
00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:17,580
travel to the Past manipulating the

624
00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:19,620
electromagnetic force could be a key

625
00:23:25,850 --> 00:23:22,200
component in creating closed time-like

626
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,860
curves CTC by bending space-time to the

627
00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:27,360
extent that light cones become

628
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,539
reoriented toward the past amplifying

629
00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:32,400
the electromagnetic force could help

630
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,220
create ctcs without having to maneuver

631
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,440
masses equivalent to that of a black

632
00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:39,600
hole which may otherwise be needed to

633
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:41,280
achieve the same level of space-time

634
00:23:45,649 --> 00:23:43,620
warpage using the force of gravity

635
00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:45,659
the form and observed capabilities of

636
00:23:49,970 --> 00:23:48,360
uaps considered alongside reports of

637
00:23:52,190 --> 00:23:49,980
Close Encounters detailing the

638
00:23:54,430 --> 00:23:52,200
components and inner workings of these

639
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,440
craft like that

640
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,880
indicate our species may eventually

641
00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:58,559
harness the awesome power of the

642
00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:01,140
electromagnetic force this may allow our

643
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:03,059
proximate Descendants the ability to

644
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:05,580
advance aeronautic propulsion and our

645
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,260
more distant descendants to eventually

646
00:24:12,169 --> 00:24:10,320
develop backward time travel technology

647
00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:12,179
unquote

648
00:24:15,950 --> 00:24:14,460
now moving beyond the technology piece

649
00:24:18,010 --> 00:24:15,960
we're going to talk about the actual

650
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,020
encounters and sometimes the

651
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:20,460
reproductive encounters they're not

652
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,860
always clinical in nature sometimes it

653
00:24:27,409 --> 00:24:24,720
actually involves full-on sexual

654
00:24:29,090 --> 00:24:27,419
intercourse between beings that are

655
00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:29,100
somehow compatible enough that this

656
00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:31,260
seems possible we're going to look at

657
00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:34,140
the case of Antonio Via boa and this

658
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:37,980
happened in Brazil in 1957. this is

659
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:40,500
something Antonio villaboya said about

660
00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:42,539
his encounter with a particular female

661
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,020
kind of entity quote I was flabbergasted

662
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,240
and not without good reason the woman

663
00:24:53,630 --> 00:24:50,640
was Stark naked as naked as I was

664
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:53,640
moreover she was beautiful though of a

665
00:24:57,230 --> 00:24:55,500
different type from the women I had

666
00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:57,240
known unquote

667
00:25:02,690 --> 00:25:00,299
now just to clarify in this account via

668
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:02,700
bot was led inside the ship by these two

669
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:05,460
figures human looking figures and taken

670
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:07,980
to this inner chamber where then a naked

671
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,260
female figure that looked mostly human

672
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,000
came in there were some differences

673
00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:14,400
about her but definitely he was aroused

674
00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:16,020
and they had supposedly sexual

675
00:25:20,590 --> 00:25:18,600
intercourse as The Story Goes now how

676
00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:20,600
would this happen with alien beings with

677
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:22,520
extraterrestrial being specifically

678
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:25,679
likely not possible this is what Masters

679
00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:28,200
says about this particular case quote

680
00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:30,600
numerous aspects of via boa's account

681
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,940
suggest these individuals were human and

682
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:35,039
likely humans from the not too distant

683
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:37,980
future their temporal proximity is

684
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:40,140
indicated by viaboa's description of the

685
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:42,179
woman that seduced him who had only

686
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,000
slightly more derived features which are

687
00:25:48,610 --> 00:25:46,559
entirely consistent with trace

688
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,620
delineating the hominin clade

689
00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:50,880
additionally they both possessed the

690
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:53,400
requisite Anatomy for having sex with

691
00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:55,500
each other and though Brazil has less

692
00:25:59,870 --> 00:25:58,140
stringent rules against bestiality there

693
00:26:02,870 --> 00:25:59,880
are no indications that via boa

694
00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:02,880
copulated with another species it is

695
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:04,980
patently possible to copulate with any

696
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,840
variety of animals that we are not

697
00:26:10,690 --> 00:26:08,640
usually attracted to ones different from

698
00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:10,700
ourselves regardless of how much

699
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,100
aphrodisiac antiseptic viscous clear

700
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:16,400
odorous liquid is rubbed on our bodies

701
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,659
additionally Beyond mere physical

702
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:20,880
attraction or the functional capacity

703
00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:23,340
for copulation using projecting

704
00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:25,740
phalluses and recessed vaginas which

705
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,779
life forms who evolved on other planets

706
00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:30,480
may not have the basic ability for two

707
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:33,000
organisms to reproduce viable Offspring

708
00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:36,059
has long been the gold standard used to

709
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:38,520
determine whether they are the same

710
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:41,580
species simply stated that biological

711
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:45,120
species concept BSC asserts that of two

712
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:47,580
separate organisms can mate reproduce

713
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:49,860
and produce viable Offspring meaning

714
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,480
their offspring are also able to

715
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:53,880
reproduce then they are considered the

716
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,880
same species unquote

717
00:27:02,090 --> 00:26:59,039
now again as Masters points out in that

718
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:02,100
situation that particular case via boa

719
00:27:06,649 --> 00:27:04,200
was perhaps interacting with beings not

720
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,659
from the too distant future and so

721
00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:09,120
sexual intercourse of that kind was

722
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:10,860
possible because they hadn't changed

723
00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:13,020
much from our current morphology

724
00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:15,000
now with the more distant ones

725
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:17,400
temporally speaking anyway often

726
00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:18,840
different kinds of techniques are used

727
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,179
but ultimately it's still used to

728
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:23,039
actually produce hybrid beings which

729
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:25,799
again suggest that the same root species

730
00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:28,260
is involved

731
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:30,120
all right now we're going to jump ahead

732
00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:31,620
to another element that actually

733
00:27:36,049 --> 00:27:33,240
supports the notion that the extra

734
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:36,059
tempestral model is the best explanation

735
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:39,059
for this actual component of the data

736
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:40,440
we're going to look at a case that

737
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:43,500
happened in 1977 involving Corporal

738
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,260
Armando Valdez and this happened in

739
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:48,720
Pampa uskuma Chile

740
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:50,400
now what's interesting about this case

741
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:52,740
perhaps telling about this case is that

742
00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:55,740
we see actual differences in time local

743
00:28:00,769 --> 00:27:58,380
time between Valdez and his experience

744
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:00,779
versus his men that were in the area

745
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:03,240
again this gives evidence supporting

746
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:04,380
this notion that they are actually

747
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,620
manipulating time and that abductees are

748
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:09,600
often put through a different experience

749
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:11,220
of time in other words their local

750
00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:13,740
experience of time is different than the

751
00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:15,500
other humans that they are returned to

752
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:18,659
afterwards so at this point Valdez and

753
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:20,820
his men see a mysterious object and now

754
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:22,200
we're going to pick up when Valdez

755
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,440
approaches it quote Valdez said a quick

756
00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:27,360
prayer and ordered the light to leave as

757
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:29,100
if it were a soldier under his command

758
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,380
because it was not and it didn't leave

759
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,360
that these next demanded that the object

760
00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:36,240
identify itself when this tactic also

761
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:37,980
failed he began walking toward the

762
00:28:42,169 --> 00:28:40,200
object again but as he drew nearer

763
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,179
Corporal Valdez suddenly disappeared

764
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,640
from sight because the bright violet

765
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:46,380
light had been Illuminating the entire

766
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:48,900
area his men could plainly see that he

767
00:28:52,909 --> 00:28:50,700
did not simply disappear into the

768
00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:52,919
darkness but instead he vanished

769
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:55,380
entirely this caused confusion and

770
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:57,480
consternation amongst the six soldiers

771
00:29:01,870 --> 00:28:59,580
who were watching intently as Valdez

772
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:01,880
marched towards the peculiar craft

773
00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:04,500
according to his men about 15 minutes

774
00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:07,799
after Corporal Valdez disappeared he

775
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:10,679
abruptly reappeared however he looked

776
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,539
entirely different from the last time

777
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:14,880
they saw him in fact in a matter of only

778
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:17,700
15 minutes Valdez went from being a

779
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:20,100
strong imposing military officer to

780
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:22,260
appearing frail weak and extremely

781
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:24,840
unsteady on his feet feet then in an

782
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:26,580
almost trance-like State as if

783
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:28,380
channeling the visitors inside the craft

784
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,840
he said quote you don't know who we are

785
00:29:33,889 --> 00:29:32,580
or where we come from but we will be

786
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,899
back soon

787
00:29:37,549 --> 00:29:36,240
Valdez then lost Consciousness fell to

788
00:29:39,889 --> 00:29:37,559
the ground and didn't wake up again

789
00:29:41,930 --> 00:29:39,899
until seven in the morning when he came

790
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:41,940
to a few hours after passing out near

791
00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:45,059
the craft Corporal Valdez was aware that

792
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:47,100
something had happened but he was unsure

793
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:49,740
what had transpired since the last thing

794
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,200
he remembered was walking toward this

795
00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:54,960
strange object earlier that morning that

796
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:56,820
is where the story takes an interesting

797
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,640
turn as Valdez looked down to check his

798
00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:02,159
watch rather than showing April 25th

799
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:04,740
which was the actual date it instead

800
00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:07,679
read April 30th five days in the future

801
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,380
this suggests that Corporal Armando

802
00:30:15,529 --> 00:30:12,960
Valdez was near or perhaps on this ship

803
00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:15,539
for five days even though from the

804
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,120
standpoint of his men only 15 minutes

805
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,679
had passed between the time he

806
00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:22,080
disappeared and then reappeared in a

807
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,419
Haggard State similar to the Travis

808
00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:26,399
Walton Abduction the passage of these

809
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:29,100
missing five days was corroborated by

810
00:30:33,889 --> 00:30:31,620
excess beard growth on valdez's face

811
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:33,899
which according to his men was clearly

812
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,980
Haven prior to the incident unquote and

813
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:39,120
then just jumping ahead a couple

814
00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:41,340
paragraphs quote it is possible that

815
00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:43,559
Valdez was abducted and his memory of

816
00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:45,539
the encounter was white claimed prior to

817
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:48,059
his return which is extremely common

818
00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:51,000
across abductions although it is also

819
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:52,740
possible that when he approached this

820
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,260
craft and entered a radius in which the

821
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:57,480
space-time metric was modified for the

822
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,600
visitors own purposes Valdez experienced

823
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,880
their speed of time and no longer the

824
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:04,559
one he had previously shared with his

825
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:07,140
men just moments prior this would also

826
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,419
help explain why Valdez appeared to have

827
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:12,059
disappeared given that if he entered a

828
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:13,980
space in which time moves at a much

829
00:31:19,549 --> 00:31:16,380
different speed he would no longer share

830
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,559
a mutual now with his men in the same

831
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:21,360
way you can't see someone standing in

832
00:31:25,630 --> 00:31:22,860
front of you who had been there

833
00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:25,640
yesterday or who will be there tomorrow

834
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:28,679
valdez's men could no longer see him as

835
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:30,539
part of their four-dimensional reality

836
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,480
as he was still in that same place but

837
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,080
suddenly at a different time

838
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:38,159
experiencing some form of space-time

839
00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:40,380
Distortion in and around uaps is

840
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:42,539
exceedingly common and additional

841
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:44,580
examples will be presented in other case

842
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:47,100
studies as well the ubiquity with which

843
00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:49,320
space-time is Warped in the area around

844
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:52,200
these craft is also indicated by a

845
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,020
recent GQ Magazine interview with Lou

846
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,120
Elizondo who headed the advanced

847
00:32:02,750 --> 00:31:59,360
Aerospace threat identification program

848
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:02,760
atip and unclassified but unpublicized

849
00:32:06,889 --> 00:32:04,500
organizations set up by the U.S

850
00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:06,899
government to study UFOs

851
00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:09,240
while discussing how frequently Pilots

852
00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:12,659
see and interact with uaps in the air he

853
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:14,460
mentions that it is also common for them

854
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:16,679
to experience alterations in the passage

855
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:19,320
of time while in close proximity to

856
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,940
these machines

857
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,039
quoting again from what the way Elizondo

858
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,200
said here quote and then you might get

859
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:27,120
somebody who gets really close and says

860
00:32:30,889 --> 00:32:29,340
you know Lou it's really bizarre it felt

861
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:30,899
like I was there for only five minutes

862
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:33,179
but when I looked at my watch 30 minutes

863
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:35,580
went by but I only used five minutes

864
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,580
worth of fuel how is that possible well

865
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:40,799
there's a reason for that we believe and

866
00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:42,539
it probably has to do with warping of

867
00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:44,820
space-time and the closer you get to one

868
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:46,440
of these vehicles the more you may begin

869
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:49,020
to experience space-time relative to the

870
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,480
vehicle and the environment current

871
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,760
hypothesis is that it creates a bubble

872
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:55,919
around it and that bubble is insulating

873
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,260
itself from the space-time that all of

874
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:00,720
us experience and so therefore the way

875
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:02,460
it experiences space-time within the

876
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:04,740
bubble is fundamentally different from

877
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:07,500
outside the bubble unquote

878
00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:09,539
and in considering this case further

879
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,539
Master says quote the visitor's apparent

880
00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:14,640
ability to manipulate space-time and the

881
00:33:18,889 --> 00:33:16,440
resulting Divergence in the rate with

882
00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:18,899
which time passes in their reference

883
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:21,299
frame relative to our own may also

884
00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:23,100
explain how they can accelerate and

885
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:25,320
decelerate at tremendous Speed without

886
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:28,019
dying these incredible Maneuvers would

887
00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:30,779
surely generate massive g-forces however

888
00:33:34,909 --> 00:33:32,940
if these visitors are in fact altering

889
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:34,919
the speed of time in and around their

890
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:37,919
UFOs then what we see as a 75g

891
00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:40,799
acceleration may feel like a slow 1G

892
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,100
acceleration to them inside the ship

893
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:45,360
rather than thinking of these seemingly

894
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:46,919
impossible accelerations and

895
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:49,380
decelerations as a real-time phenomenon

896
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:51,659
and questioning how any biological

897
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:53,880
entity aboard could withstand the insane

898
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,240
g-forces generated the Valdez experience

899
00:34:01,789 --> 00:33:59,519
leads one to wonder if it is only an

900
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:01,799
illusion resulting from the Divergent

901
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:04,620
way in which we see them and they see us

902
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:08,040
in different temporal reference frames

903
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:10,619
if Valdez did experience the passage of

904
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:12,780
five days over the course of 15 minutes

905
00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:14,760
it may help explain his physical

906
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:18,179
condition once he reappeared not eating

907
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,820
and drinking for a 120 hours would

908
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:23,040
naturally make someone very weak and

909
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:24,839
while people can die within three days

910
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,240
of not having any water death from

911
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:29,760
dehydration typically takes closer to 10

912
00:34:34,450 --> 00:34:32,159
days depending on factors like age

913
00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:34,460
activity level and overall health

914
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,139
valdez's extreme weakness and fatigue

915
00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:39,839
also could have been exacerbated by

916
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,460
standing too close to the operative

917
00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:44,159
object since similar symptoms are common

918
00:34:50,930 --> 00:34:47,460
across such accounts unquote

919
00:34:52,930 --> 00:34:50,940
now as we know encounters on board craft

920
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:52,940
after having experienced an abduction

921
00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:56,220
often involve biological examinations

922
00:35:00,770 --> 00:34:58,980
and extraction of sperm and egg

923
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:00,780
to be used within some sort of

924
00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:03,540
overarching hybridization program this

925
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:05,640
is a key aspect of the data it is front

926
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:08,640
and center it is a feature not a bug the

927
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:10,980
question is why would space aliens be

928
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,780
doing this would it even be possible for

929
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,880
them to do it and furthermore why would

930
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:16,800
they so often express to the human

931
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:18,900
beings that were being abducted that it

932
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,820
was essential that this happened that it

933
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:22,320
was part of some overarching Enterprise

934
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:25,440
that was of the greatest importance this

935
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,000
was not just some random scientific

936
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,240
experiment Gathering specimens as an ET

937
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:33,119
species traveled around the cosmos there

938
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:34,800
seems to be something much more specific

939
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:38,040
connected again to our future now to

940
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:39,540
touch on this aspect we're going to look

941
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:42,119
at the case of Terry Lovelace which we

942
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:43,200
actually covered in two different

943
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:46,500
podcast episodes on point of convergence

944
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,660
this is what Masters has to say in

945
00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:51,359
discussing the Lovelace case quote

946
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:53,940
occupational specialization is apparent

947
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,640
across contact cases and it may exist as

948
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,079
part of a much larger collaborative

949
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,480
operation for instance during one of

950
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:02,640
Terry lovelace's four to five abductions

951
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:04,740
he was taken aboard a large triangular

952
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,020
craft where he Recology seeing numerous

953
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:09,359
specialized human groups exhibiting

954
00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:11,880
diverse physical characteristics who are

955
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:13,500
carrying out different but coordinated

956
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:16,020
tasks this included one group that would

957
00:36:20,510 --> 00:36:18,359
line up abducted people strip them naked

958
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,520
and take them into rooms that stretch as

959
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:22,800
far as he could see while we can't know

960
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,540
what was happening inside these rooms

961
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:26,240
from this part of lovelace's account

962
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:28,859
based on countless other abductee

963
00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:30,780
reports the people who were stripped

964
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:32,940
naked were most likely subjected to a

965
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,220
biomedical examination which also

966
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,440
involves sperm and egg extractions

967
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:39,540
evidence of the latter as well as the

968
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:41,820
results of this ubiquitous practice of

969
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:44,099
taking gametes from people during UFO

970
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:46,260
abductions can be seen in the fact that

971
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,599
Terry Lovelace and his friend Toby were

972
00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:50,700
also subjected to this practice of sperm

973
00:36:54,349 --> 00:36:52,859
withdrawal and from what lovely saw

974
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:54,359
lining the walls of this massive

975
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:55,980
triangular craft

976
00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:57,480
and then we're going to quote what

977
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,180
actually lovely said here quote there

978
00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:03,119
was a crowd of people too 50 or 60 a lot

979
00:37:07,730 --> 00:37:05,220
of people some of the human beings were

980
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:07,740
crew members they just ignored us they

981
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:09,960
marched us past a long wall of aquariums

982
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:12,540
there are big fish tanks a hundred or

983
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:14,940
more aquariums that cover a whole wall

984
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:17,400
there is pink water inside and some are

985
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,180
bigger they look like no bleep no these

986
00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:23,400
are human beings but no they can't be

987
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,800
living human beings they're different oh

988
00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:28,079
God they're not like us one moved its

989
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,119
head and turned towards us his eyes

990
00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:33,839
blinked and oh bleep no unquote now

991
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,220
we're very familiar with these kinds of

992
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,680
situations where not only alien beings

993
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:39,839
what are supposed to be alien beings or

994
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:43,380
onboard craft Grays and insectoid types

995
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:45,660
and even mantid beings and whatnot of

996
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,900
reptilians Etc we also very often see

997
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,119
beings that look like everyday humans

998
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:52,800
humans you might find in our

999
00:37:57,770 --> 00:37:55,500
contemporary time now this could

1000
00:37:59,690 --> 00:37:57,780
indicate 8 cooperation with military

1001
00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:59,700
groups that's very possible in fact I

1002
00:38:03,770 --> 00:38:01,140
think that probably is part of what's

1003
00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:03,780
going on but in addition they may be

1004
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,359
humans from our near future and this

1005
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,160
might indicate an overarching Enterprise

1006
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:10,800
where humans or at least descendants

1007
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:13,440
from the same hominin line are working

1008
00:38:17,810 --> 00:38:15,780
together in some sort of overarching

1009
00:38:19,609 --> 00:38:17,820
Enterprise and when we see different

1010
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:19,619
beings different forms different

1011
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:22,500
morphology it might just be the same

1012
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:25,140
root species but represented along

1013
00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:27,900
different points along the trajectory of

1014
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:30,420
our evolutionary path

1015
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,300
now in terms of what is often observed

1016
00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:35,760
in abduction cases or contact cases or

1017
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,820
even citing cases there's another aspect

1018
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:40,800
that we can consider here from within

1019
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,200
this extra-term pastoral model

1020
00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:45,599
we notice often that there is a silence

1021
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:48,660
and a Stillness when a UFO is present

1022
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,300
what does this suggest why is suddenly

1023
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,520
everything silent why are birds and

1024
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:56,160
insects suddenly not heard not a peep is

1025
00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:59,220
heard when a UFO is nearby what does

1026
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,800
this suggest again Masters point to the

1027
00:39:06,349 --> 00:39:04,079
fact that this could be an indication of

1028
00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:06,359
a space-time manipulation

1029
00:39:11,569 --> 00:39:09,000
quoting for the book again quote as

1030
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:11,579
discussed in the Corporal Armando Valdez

1031
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:13,800
case study one explanation for the

1032
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:15,780
sweeping calm often observed by

1033
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:18,660
contactees and abductees is that these

1034
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:20,280
vehicles are capable of warping

1035
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,440
space-time in their proximate vicinity

1036
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:25,200
the differential rate of times passage

1037
00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:27,780
near these ships creates the sense that

1038
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:30,359
time inside this bubble has slowed or

1039
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:33,060
ceased entirely relative to the outside

1040
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,300
world since no movement means no sound

1041
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,640
this may also help explain why the ship

1042
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:41,280
Linda Jones observed appeared to fade in

1043
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:43,619
and out of existence while it engineered

1044
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:45,660
the Timescape around them

1045
00:39:50,829 --> 00:39:48,420
during a keynote lecture at the 2021

1046
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:50,839
anomalous Aerospace phenomena conference

1047
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,220
sponsored by the scientific Coalition

1048
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:56,160
for UAP studies noted American engineer

1049
00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:00,000
Dr Harold Hal put off Drew on his 2010

1050
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:02,520
paper titled Advanced space propulsion

1051
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,460
based on vacuum space-time metric

1052
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:07,920
engineering as well as a book by Paul

1053
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:10,440
Hill former Chief scientist at Nasa

1054
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,359
Langley Research Center titled

1055
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:15,359
unconventional flying objects during his

1056
00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:17,579
presentation Dr putoff contended that

1057
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:19,640
the utter silence and missing time

1058
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:22,740
experienced by so many contactees and

1059
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:25,380
abductees may be related to space-time

1060
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:28,260
metric engineering which he considers an

1061
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:29,700
important part of the functional

1062
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:32,400
capabilities of these craft and quoting

1063
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:33,960
from what putoff said here quote

1064
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:36,420
basically if you are able to change the

1065
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:38,280
temporal aspect of your surrounding

1066
00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:40,740
space you can either speed it up or slow

1067
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,079
it down the reports that often come

1068
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:45,599
forth people say well there I was I was

1069
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:47,880
close to a craft and suddenly all the

1070
00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:50,460
sounds of nature the birds the wind you

1071
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:52,859
know I didn't hear a thing well if time

1072
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:55,380
has been slowed down in that area and

1073
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,480
has gone into infrasonic so that you

1074
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,280
wouldn't hear it that's one of the

1075
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:00,960
elements that you would expect to

1076
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:03,060
experience so then you would also

1077
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,920
obviously have kinds of things where you

1078
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:06,720
would interpret it as missing time

1079
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:09,300
because suddenly if time got slowed down

1080
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:11,640
so maybe you might be let's say in the

1081
00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:14,040
crass vicinity slowed down for five

1082
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:16,920
minutes meanwhile outside several hours

1083
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:20,520
have gone by by then you emerge you say

1084
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:23,460
oh my gosh I've got missing time it

1085
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,020
might not be that you actually missed

1086
00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:27,839
any subjective time it's just one of the

1087
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:30,359
consequences of space-time metric

1088
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:33,060
engineering and then Masters goes on to

1089
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,339
say the visitor's ability to engineer

1090
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:37,440
the space-time metric could also help

1091
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,720
explain other observed aspects of these

1092
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:41,760
craft and their flight characteristics

1093
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:44,460
including how roughly 30 ton ship can

1094
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:46,200
withstand estimated accelerations

1095
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,260
ranging from 100 G's to thousands of G's

1096
00:41:54,829 --> 00:41:51,359
and travel through our atmosphere

1097
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:54,839
upwards of 9 000 miles per hour with no

1098
00:41:59,870 --> 00:41:57,420
Sonic booms air disturbances or evidence

1099
00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:59,880
of excessive heat while also displaying

1100
00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:02,880
trans medium capabilities as these

1101
00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:04,859
seamlessly move from air to water and

1102
00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:07,560
Back Again Space trimetric Engineering

1103
00:42:11,810 --> 00:42:09,540
may also help explain the bright light

1104
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:11,820
so often seen emanating from these ships

1105
00:42:16,089 --> 00:42:14,520
as well as why people who get too close

1106
00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:16,099
to them reports suffering from

1107
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:19,020
sunburn-like injuries indicative of

1108
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:21,660
radiation damage which would happen if

1109
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,000
the electromagnetic spectrum is blue

1110
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:26,400
shifted in association with a space-time

1111
00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:29,820
metric engineering Dr putoff also

1112
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:32,099
addressed these issues in his 2021

1113
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:34,440
presentation and quoting from put off

1114
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:36,780
here quote under the conditions with

1115
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:38,579
which the space-time metric has been

1116
00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:40,680
engineered to produce the kinds of

1117
00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:42,599
effects you might expect to see with a

1118
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:45,480
UAP you get blue shift which means first

1119
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:47,820
of all some of that infrared is going to

1120
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:49,859
be up shifted into the visible part of

1121
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,780
the spectrum so you expect craft to be

1122
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:53,760
quite bright which is one of the things

1123
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,460
that is in fact reported with this blue

1124
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,560
ship there is prediction of near field

1125
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,200
exposure injuries for example the

1126
00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:03,359
visible can be blue shifted up into the

1127
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:06,599
UV and you get sunburn injuries often

1128
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:08,520
reported by people who claim to have

1129
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:10,619
encountered a powered up craft that

1130
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:13,380
relatively close range or if you're too

1131
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,300
close it can even some of that visible

1132
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:17,640
spectrum which ordinarily isn't harmful

1133
00:43:23,569 --> 00:43:20,280
can be shifted up into the soft x-ray

1134
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:23,579
region and you get radiation injury

1135
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,280
unquote and then Masters finishes by

1136
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:28,319
saying regarding the visitor's apparent

1137
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:30,119
ability to change the speed of time and

1138
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:32,040
the vicinity of these craft it is

1139
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,200
interesting to note that juxtapositions

1140
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:36,480
between the Linda Jones and Armando

1141
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,240
Valdez case studies as Dr putoff

1142
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:41,400
mentioned in the first quote quote again

1143
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:44,040
if you are able to change the temporal

1144
00:43:49,550 --> 00:43:46,380
aspect of your surrounding space you can

1145
00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:49,560
either speed it up or slow it down both

1146
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:51,060
options appear to have played out

1147
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,920
separately in the Jones and Valdez

1148
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,200
encounters for example it is a parent

1149
00:43:59,809 --> 00:43:57,359
from Linda Jones report that time was

1150
00:44:01,490 --> 00:43:59,819
slowed down around them as sound shifted

1151
00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:01,500
into the infrasonic range and she

1152
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:03,780
experienced a couple of hours of missing

1153
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:06,180
time however the opposite seems to have

1154
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:08,460
been the case with Armando Valdez where

1155
00:44:13,069 --> 00:44:10,440
he aged by five days during the

1156
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:13,079
15-minute period that he was gone from

1157
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,780
his men indicating that time moves much

1158
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,480
faster in proximity to that craft

1159
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:20,640
unquote

1160
00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:22,740
now in addition to all of this

1161
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:24,599
corroborating evidence suggesting that

1162
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,520
the extra tempestral model makes sense

1163
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,079
of much of what we see in these

1164
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:30,720
encounters we also sometimes just have

1165
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,240
direct testimony from experiencers even

1166
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:35,040
among some of the most well-known cases

1167
00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:36,780
and somehow this is flown under the

1168
00:44:42,589 --> 00:44:40,280
radar for instance from the famous 1980

1169
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:42,599
rendelshelm Forest incident in Suffolk

1170
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,660
UK this is what Jim pennison was quoted

1171
00:44:51,410 --> 00:44:48,480
as saying quote I've never believed that

1172
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:51,420
it was extraterrestrial I still don't we

1173
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,880
believe it based on the evident it's an

1174
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:55,920
interdimensional type craft and it's

1175
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:59,460
clearly us from the future unquote

1176
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:01,800
and to support this further Masters

1177
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:03,780
quotes from when peniston was in a

1178
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,940
certain session with the U.S Air Force

1179
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,640
office of special investigations quoting

1180
00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:10,800
from that section quote during this

1181
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:12,300
session peniston spoke of being

1182
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:14,940
interrogated by two agents from the U.S

1183
00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:16,260
Air Force office of special

1184
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,819
investigations

1185
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,680
and one agent from the British military

1186
00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:21,599
who asked if there were any beings

1187
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,579
present when he encountered the metallic

1188
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:26,160
craft peniston responded that there were

1189
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,680
visitors present and notably that they

1190
00:45:32,770 --> 00:45:31,200
were time travelers from the future he

1191
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,780
reiterated that they were not

1192
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:35,280
extraterrestrials but were humans coming

1193
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,260
back through time to collect genetic

1194
00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:39,839
material to help alleviate problems they

1195
00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:41,700
were having with reproduction in the

1196
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,500
future and then quoting from what

1197
00:45:49,069 --> 00:45:46,079
peniston said they the visitors are

1198
00:45:51,770 --> 00:45:49,079
asking me if I see binary code I see the

1199
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:51,780
binary code they are Time Travelers they

1200
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,400
are us

1201
00:45:57,250 --> 00:45:55,440
after peniston divulged that the

1202
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:57,260
visitors were future humans and not

1203
00:46:02,569 --> 00:45:59,460
extraterrestrials the hypnotherapist

1204
00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:02,579
asks what they need from us peniston

1205
00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:04,440
stated that they are taking game each

1206
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:06,780
and sometimes fetuses to help with

1207
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,839
reproductive problems in the future the

1208
00:46:14,089 --> 00:46:11,280
interviewer says do they ever take

1209
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,099
fetishes penestine responds if it is

1210
00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:16,560
tasked they do there are different ships

1211
00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:18,839
for tasking the government agents know

1212
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:20,940
about this that's what they want to

1213
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:23,220
contain the situation

1214
00:46:26,809 --> 00:46:25,260
and then Masters goes on to say this

1215
00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:26,819
statement is particularly noteworthy

1216
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,440
because of its relevance to the other

1217
00:46:32,809 --> 00:46:30,720
case studies and most notably the

1218
00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:32,819
previous two for instance Linda Jones

1219
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,619
reports having game meets and a

1220
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:36,720
developing fetus extracted from her

1221
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:39,480
person Jones also stated that her

1222
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,920
Reproductive Services were very

1223
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,720
important to the visitors beginning

1224
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,640
early in life and to a greater extent

1225
00:46:49,550 --> 00:46:46,800
once she reached reproductive maturity

1226
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:49,560
Terry lovelace's account is also notable

1227
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:51,900
in this context since he claims to have

1228
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,119
seen developing fetuses floating in a

1229
00:46:59,569 --> 00:46:56,880
pinkish liquid inside exogenesis

1230
00:47:02,569 --> 00:46:59,579
Chambers onboard a massive triangular

1231
00:47:05,210 --> 00:47:02,579
craft in conjunction with peniston's

1232
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,220
above statement this triangular ship may

1233
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:06,720
be an example of one that was

1234
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:08,579
specifically designed and built for a

1235
00:47:13,609 --> 00:47:11,099
specific task which in this case appears

1236
00:47:15,710 --> 00:47:13,619
to be related to reproductive tasks

1237
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,720
similar to Terry lovelace's experience

1238
00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:17,520
while Jim peniston was being

1239
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:19,619
interrogated by Agents from the U.S Air

1240
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,420
Force office of special investigations

1241
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:23,520
he started to realize that the

1242
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:25,800
interrogators already knew about

1243
00:47:30,170 --> 00:47:27,900
everything he was telling them and

1244
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,180
rather than seeking information they

1245
00:47:34,490 --> 00:47:32,160
were simply trying to contain the

1246
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:34,500
situation their attempt at damage

1247
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:36,420
control also involved intentionally

1248
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,940
confusing the details of each man's

1249
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,280
account which was done to diminish The

1250
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,440
credibility of their testimonies and to

1251
00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:45,599
cast doubt on the reality of the event

1252
00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:48,839
this imposed misapprehension is revealed

1253
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:51,060
in peniston's hypnotherapy session

1254
00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:53,160
jumping to that again the interviewer

1255
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:55,859
says they see you as requiring damage

1256
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,680
control peniston yes they see me and

1257
00:48:03,370 --> 00:48:00,660
John Burroughs and they're worried about

1258
00:48:05,089 --> 00:48:03,380
call halt they know all about us

1259
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:05,099
interviewer says what are the

1260
00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:07,380
intelligence agents NSA agents going to

1261
00:48:11,569 --> 00:48:09,780
do with you penistone replies they tell

1262
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:11,579
me when I was at the East Gate with John

1263
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:13,560
they have five different stories to tell

1264
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:16,140
it's important to scramble dates which

1265
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:18,420
confuses and undermines consistency of

1266
00:48:22,849 --> 00:48:20,520
eyewitness testimonies so there's no

1267
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:22,859
credibility with the public and media

1268
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,680
and the Masters continues in addition to

1269
00:48:29,809 --> 00:48:27,359
revealing information about this stage

1270
00:48:31,609 --> 00:48:29,819
cover-up the origin of these visitors as

1271
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:31,619
future humans and their intent to

1272
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:33,720
collect game age and genetic material

1273
00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:36,480
from past peoples peniston provided an

1274
00:48:40,849 --> 00:48:38,520
interesting and subtle detail about how

1275
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,859
these craft May physically travel back

1276
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:42,780
through time again going to the

1277
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:44,700
interview interviewer does the

1278
00:48:47,770 --> 00:48:46,260
government believe what you are saying

1279
00:48:50,750 --> 00:48:47,780
about them coming from the future

1280
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:50,760
pennison oh yes this time they were

1281
00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:52,380
having problems but they got their

1282
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:54,780
machine off they have to be in space to

1283
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,599
travel they need speed to travel

1284
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,520
how far into the past can they go the

1285
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:01,920
interviewer asks peniston these ships

1286
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:04,800
can go 40 or 50 000 years they can't go

1287
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:07,079
back much further they might not get

1288
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:07,980
back

1289
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:09,960
and then Masters goes on to say this

1290
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:11,579
statement corroborates a previously

1291
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:13,500
proposed concept related to how

1292
00:49:18,349 --> 00:49:15,960
high-speed travel while light cones are

1293
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:18,359
oriented towards the past may allow our

1294
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,099
time traveling descendants to venture

1295
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:22,740
deeper into the past light cones can be

1296
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,540
understood as having the same properties

1297
00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:26,640
as light meaning they travel at the

1298
00:49:31,069 --> 00:49:28,859
speed of light they propagate like light

1299
00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:31,079
and their trajectory can be warped and

1300
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:33,420
curved in the same way as light when

1301
00:49:38,329 --> 00:49:35,220
light cones approach an extremely large

1302
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:38,339
denser highly energetic Mass their path

1303
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:40,980
becomes curved and they can tilt or tip

1304
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:43,140
over while still maintaining their

1305
00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:46,200
conical shape remarkably as light cones

1306
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:48,780
tip over in association with a warpage

1307
00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:51,480
of proximate space-time World Lines

1308
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:53,819
within them can deviate from a strictly

1309
00:49:58,609 --> 00:49:56,579
passed to Future linear trajectory this

1310
00:50:00,770 --> 00:49:58,619
means that anyone or anything traveling

1311
00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:00,780
along a world line that lies within the

1312
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:03,240
margins of a tilted like cone in their

1313
00:50:07,490 --> 00:50:05,700
localized region of space-time would now

1314
00:50:11,569 --> 00:50:07,500
be permitted to travel into the global

1315
00:50:13,309 --> 00:50:11,579
past via a closed time-like curve CTC

1316
00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:13,319
unquote

1317
00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:15,480
now of course there are several key

1318
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:17,220
Revelations there that potentially

1319
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:19,859
support this notion of the extra-term

1320
00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:21,300
Pastoral model being the best

1321
00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:23,460
explanatory mechanism to make sense of

1322
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:25,800
what we've seen again those of you who

1323
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:27,300
tuned in when I cover the Terry love

1324
00:50:31,849 --> 00:50:29,880
lace case will remember that he had this

1325
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:31,859
sense that some aspects of the military

1326
00:50:35,809 --> 00:50:33,900
already knew about this they already

1327
00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:35,819
knew about his encounter and actually

1328
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:37,800
did their damnedest to make sure he

1329
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,420
would not remember and that his friend

1330
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:42,240
Toby would not remember again when we

1331
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,700
think about the 90-year cover-up that

1332
00:50:49,010 --> 00:50:47,040
we're now aware of one wonders is it

1333
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:49,020
because it's not just about space travel

1334
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:51,720
but also time travel and specifically

1335
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,420
has to do with our future and the fact

1336
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:56,160
that these beings are coming back in

1337
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,839
time beings that are genetically related

1338
00:51:01,490 --> 00:51:00,240
to us are very descendants even and

1339
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:01,500
they're coming back to again address

1340
00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:04,740
some sort of malady in our future that

1341
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:06,119
perhaps there's not enough genetic

1342
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,680
variants and so they need to come back

1343
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:09,599
and gather that genetic variance from

1344
00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:12,420
their ancestors to inject new fresh

1345
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,760
stock and to make their own stock

1346
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,800
healthier again when you think about all

1347
00:51:21,530 --> 00:51:18,960
this it makes a lot of sense there's a

1348
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:21,540
remarkable degree of consistency and

1349
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,220
corroboration amongst these different

1350
00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:24,720
elements and amongst the different

1351
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:27,000
aspects of experience your testimony

1352
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,180
over time again and on top of that we

1353
00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:32,160
have direct statements from these others

1354
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:35,160
very often saying you are us we are you

1355
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,079
one time there was this case where

1356
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:38,880
someone said it would be easier to deal

1357
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:40,740
with you if you weren't so damn ugly

1358
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:42,839
basically and the being responded by

1359
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:45,599
saying my dear one day will look just

1360
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,839
like us so again often there's direct

1361
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:51,359
statements supporting this hypothesis if

1362
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:53,640
we bother to really pay attention to all

1363
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,260
of the different details and how they

1364
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:57,480
might work together in some overarching

1365
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:58,680
narrative

1366
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:01,319
now as we begin to draw this episode to

1367
00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:03,300
a close I'd like now to turn to the

1368
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:05,460
issue of paradoxes or at least apparent

1369
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,500
paradoxes again a lot of people get

1370
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,079
caught up in the apparent paradoxes and

1371
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:12,480
thus reject this model this hypothesis

1372
00:52:17,569 --> 00:52:14,940
this explanatory mechanism to make sense

1373
00:52:19,609 --> 00:52:17,579
of what's been going on historically but

1374
00:52:22,250 --> 00:52:19,619
again the key is that these are apparent

1375
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:22,260
paradoxes only in our perception this is

1376
00:52:26,809 --> 00:52:24,540
what Masters has to say about that quote

1377
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:26,819
consistency paradoxes like the

1378
00:52:31,609 --> 00:52:28,980
grandfather Paradox as well as the

1379
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:31,619
causal Loop Paradox aka the bootstrap

1380
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:34,020
Paradox where something from the future

1381
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,300
AIDS in its own creation by being a part

1382
00:52:42,589 --> 00:52:39,359
of its past despite their names also

1383
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:42,599
aren't paradoxical the common heuristic

1384
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:44,520
device for understanding causal Loops

1385
00:52:48,829 --> 00:52:46,200
typically involves someone creating

1386
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,839
something or having an impactful idea

1387
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:51,119
which through the mechanism of backward

1388
00:52:55,790 --> 00:52:52,980
time travel is revealed to an earlier

1389
00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:55,800
version of themselves this past person

1390
00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:57,780
then uses the newly acquired information

1391
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,780
person outcome and later in life they

1392
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,400
become the one traveling back through

1393
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,040
time to convey that information to their

1394
00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:07,200
younger self in a sort of infinite

1395
00:53:11,089 --> 00:53:09,300
self-consistent causal Loop of creation

1396
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,099
and dissemination

1397
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:13,440
this scenario may appear to laugh in the

1398
00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:15,480
face of causality however when

1399
00:53:19,630 --> 00:53:17,339
understood within the framework of a

1400
00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:19,640
closed loop of self-consistent events

1401
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:22,980
causality becomes irrelevant as does the

1402
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,420
question of who created the original

1403
00:53:30,049 --> 00:53:27,119
idea or invention taken back through

1404
00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:30,059
time the apparent perplexity of these

1405
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,099
scenarios largely stems from the fact

1406
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:33,839
that our perception of time is

1407
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:35,880
habitually derived from obstinate

1408
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:38,280
observations of linearly organized

1409
00:53:42,910 --> 00:53:40,500
events with clearly defined boundaries

1410
00:53:45,730 --> 00:53:42,920
between a past cause and a future effect

1411
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:45,740
yet in the presence of a time machine

1412
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,300
events in the future can elicit an

1413
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:50,880
effect in the past because neither comes

1414
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,880
before the other unquote

1415
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:55,920
so the bottom line there is that even if

1416
00:54:00,170 --> 00:53:57,480
it's difficult for you to wrap your head

1417
00:54:01,849 --> 00:54:00,180
around there is no Paradox here this is

1418
00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:01,859
a self-consistent way of thinking about

1419
00:54:05,569 --> 00:54:03,900
the way that time works when you have

1420
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:05,579
something like a time machine that can

1421
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:07,980
manipulate our usual experience of

1422
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,660
linearity

1423
00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,760
now when we step back for a moment we

1424
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:13,619
think about the historical narrative the

1425
00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:15,480
recent historical narrative in which

1426
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,700
these beings have come into our timeline

1427
00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:19,440
within the last century or so perhaps

1428
00:54:23,089 --> 00:54:21,059
going back before then but if we just

1429
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:23,099
pay attention to that even we have the

1430
00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:25,380
sense that they're here for a reason not

1431
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,780
just to repair some malady in their

1432
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,480
previous present which is our future but

1433
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:32,760
on top of that they seem to be also here

1434
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:35,460
to warn us about a certain outcome that

1435
00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:37,140
is inevitable based on our current

1436
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:39,240
trajectory the way we exist as a

1437
00:54:43,490 --> 00:54:41,400
civilization and specifically the way we

1438
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:43,500
treat the planet which is our home and

1439
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:45,660
again of course ultimately will be their

1440
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:48,420
home as well the messaging very often

1441
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:50,460
revolves around this specifically not

1442
00:54:54,049 --> 00:54:52,200
necessarily what's going wrong with our

1443
00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:54,059
civilization but what's going wrong with

1444
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,800
the planet because of the way our

1445
00:54:59,870 --> 00:54:57,839
civilization is conducting our Affairs

1446
00:55:02,690 --> 00:54:59,880
so in addition to being here to collect

1447
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:02,700
genetic material to add variants to

1448
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:05,220
their future population there's also

1449
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:06,839
this sense that they are here to warn us

1450
00:55:10,970 --> 00:55:09,240
to do their best to warn us about the

1451
00:55:13,490 --> 00:55:10,980
fact that they're trajectory we are on

1452
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:13,500
is unsustainable and will inevitably

1453
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,500
result in a very bad outcome if we do

1454
00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:18,720
not change our ways again this has been

1455
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:20,339
centrally observed in so many

1456
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:23,160
experiencer accounts it's old hat by now

1457
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:25,140
we know what the consistent message is

1458
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,240
it revolves around the sense of a coming

1459
00:55:32,450 --> 00:55:29,640
cataclysm related to the way that we

1460
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,460
have a commodity-based relationship with

1461
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:34,559
the planet and of course our economic

1462
00:55:38,089 --> 00:55:36,359
structures and whatnot also come into

1463
00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:38,099
play there but ultimately there's this

1464
00:55:41,390 --> 00:55:39,720
real focus on what we're doing to the

1465
00:55:43,250 --> 00:55:41,400
environment what we're doing to the

1466
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:43,260
planet and that that our current course

1467
00:55:47,930 --> 00:55:45,900
will lead to a bad outcome if we do not

1468
00:55:49,609 --> 00:55:47,940
change our ways

1469
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:49,619
and now I'd like to leave you with this

1470
00:55:53,870 --> 00:55:51,420
concluding thought

1471
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:53,880
when one considers the legacy of 20th

1472
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:56,040
century ecological history within the

1473
00:56:00,049 --> 00:55:57,660
particular lands we've considered here

1474
00:56:02,329 --> 00:56:00,059
today A couple of intriguing and

1475
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:02,339
pertinent questions emerge

1476
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,380
first why would these possibly future

1477
00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:06,960
relative beings embark on such dangerous

1478
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:09,540
Endeavors to begin with coming back in

1479
00:56:13,549 --> 00:56:11,640
time and perhaps initially crashing the

1480
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:13,559
sophisticated space-time manipulating

1481
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:16,319
Vehicles they're operating while working

1482
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,660
to perfect the technology

1483
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:21,359
second why would a certain contingent of

1484
00:56:26,569 --> 00:56:24,119
temporal locals who are perhaps privy to

1485
00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:26,579
what is really going on here agree to

1486
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,440
keeping the truth of the matter secret

1487
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:30,720
perhaps with a sweetener involving the

1488
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:31,980
receipt of some of this very

1489
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:35,220
sophisticated Tech in the Here and Now

1490
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:37,140
I would pause it and light up everything

1491
00:56:40,849 --> 00:56:39,180
we've considered today including the

1492
00:56:43,069 --> 00:56:40,859
daunting environmental concerns the

1493
00:56:44,329 --> 00:56:43,079
planet now faces as well as the

1494
00:56:46,849 --> 00:56:44,339
increasingly chaotic and

1495
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:46,859
self-destructive path our species seems

1496
00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:49,260
intent on following that perhaps the

1497
00:56:53,870 --> 00:56:51,240
answer lies in the fact that the need is

1498
00:56:55,609 --> 00:56:53,880
simply that dire and that both we

1499
00:56:58,190 --> 00:56:55,619
temporal locals and the extra

1500
00:57:00,349 --> 00:56:58,200
tempestules who are in some way our

1501
00:57:02,329 --> 00:57:00,359
future descendants have a shared

1502
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,339
interest in seeing some overarching

1503
00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:05,040
scheme involving a newly hybrid version

1504
00:57:11,809 --> 00:57:08,099
of the two of us somehow survive to see

1505
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,450
and on that note we've come to the close

1506
00:57:18,650 --> 00:57:16,440
of another edition of the point of

1507
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,660
convergence podcast if you'd like to

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00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:20,640
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